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    Re: Kawasaki 650SX vs newer stand-up skis

    Quote Originally Posted by theVetteman3 View Post
    As far as I see it, Yamaha just built a better Kawasaki than Kawasaki did, that's all!
    Them's fighting words! Very funny though.
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    1984 JS440 -- 1989 650sx -- 1991 X2 -- 1992 750sx -- 1995 900zxi (qty 2) -- 1995 X2

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    Re: Kawasaki 650SX vs newer stand-up skis

    It's true though, but of course it's all about preferences. Kawasaki certainly innovates. They keep developing something new and bigger (literally and figuratively). If you spend time on 750 hull skis with mods, you'll feel just as at home on a 2008+ SJ as you would a sxr. Like I said first time I tried one, the ski it reminded me most of was the freestyle sxi pro with tubbies and SJ steering. It feels hyper sensitive and nimble. It's not too stable going straight, but as soon as you start turning it feels stable and has very intuitive handling, even up to high speed turns.
    1985 JS550/800 "Pretty Red": Newmiller 800, Rhaas 750 pump conv. [56.3mph gps]
    2009 1100 SJ:
    Kawi 1100
    2009 SJ MINT:
    KP steering adaptor, Worx 228 intake [45.6mph gps]
    1987 WJ650:
    6M6, JD Intake Grate, 17/20, cheater pipe [42.4mph gps]
    1994 XiR: 830cc Superstock, PJS side draft, 13/18 swirl [53.7mph gps]
    1998 SXI PRO:
    3DR hull mods [TBD]



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    Re: Kawasaki 650SX vs newer stand-up skis

    Pre 08 steering mod yet?

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    Re: Kawasaki 650SX vs newer stand-up skis

    I have a 96-07 steering cable standing by, and one pole is apart so I can look at making my own adaptor piece. I did have one nozzle modified to move the pivot ball in, but now I'm using a KP nozzle adaptor from High Speed Industries. It moves the ball in about twice as much as what I had before, and honestly it's good enough for me now. With bars it feels pretty good and way less like a bus.

    I'm going to keep my mint stock ski with the original cable. On my other one, which I'm fixing up, I'm most likely going to put the 07 cable and design a nice adaptor piece.
    1985 JS550/800 "Pretty Red": Newmiller 800, Rhaas 750 pump conv. [56.3mph gps]
    2009 1100 SJ:
    Kawi 1100
    2009 SJ MINT:
    KP steering adaptor, Worx 228 intake [45.6mph gps]
    1987 WJ650:
    6M6, JD Intake Grate, 17/20, cheater pipe [42.4mph gps]
    1994 XiR: 830cc Superstock, PJS side draft, 13/18 swirl [53.7mph gps]
    1998 SXI PRO:
    3DR hull mods [TBD]



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    Re: Kawasaki 650SX vs newer stand-up skis

    Nice read frank.

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    Re: Kawasaki 650SX vs newer stand-up skis

    Thanks Mike.

    And can you modify a 650sx and have just as much fun as a newer ski? Yea absolutely. Fun per dollar is definitely there. Once you get used to the newer skis though, it's hard to go back. I had to put tubbies on my 550/800 after I started riding my first 09 SJ because I couldn't ride it otherwise! It just wouldn't handle as aggressively and nimble as I wanted.

    The real nice thing about the older hulls is that you could spend the rest of your life learning on them. Really how some guys did bars to the water high speed turns on some of those older hulls is really mind boggling. Going to a newer ski like a 08+ SJ helps you learn the technique of what you should be doing in order to make it handle. You can then take that body English, and over emphasize it, in order to get the older hulls to do what they should be doing.
    1985 JS550/800 "Pretty Red": Newmiller 800, Rhaas 750 pump conv. [56.3mph gps]
    2009 1100 SJ:
    Kawi 1100
    2009 SJ MINT:
    KP steering adaptor, Worx 228 intake [45.6mph gps]
    1987 WJ650:
    6M6, JD Intake Grate, 17/20, cheater pipe [42.4mph gps]
    1994 XiR: 830cc Superstock, PJS side draft, 13/18 swirl [53.7mph gps]
    1998 SXI PRO:
    3DR hull mods [TBD]



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    Re: Kawasaki 650SX vs newer stand-up skis

    Quote Originally Posted by theVetteman3 View Post
    Ha thanks man, glad to know my thoughts are appreciated.

    I actually have a soft spot for the X2, because one was my first ski. The X2 hull bottom is very similar to the 650sx. Same width, ect, with at least one advance over the 650sx hull- the built in arc on each side of the hull which is, what I think, a very early form of a large tubbie. In handling terms, it's the same diameter log as the 650sx. Just pole / fixed steer add some feel differences. Actually I learned to carve on stand ups from taking what I knew about carving on the x2, keeping the same wide foot stance, and practicing letting it roll over in turns.

    The Wave Jammer, which I also really enjoy, is also interesting. It and the WR500 are perhaps the widest, most stable "raft" in this analogy. But, with a lot of force to get it to lean over, it will carve pretty darn well. I posted a video on my thread in the individual builds section. It is super wide so you really have to throw it over, but because of the width, it's very progressive and predictable. And it has a ton of side pop, it really wants to throw you upright after a turn which is amazing. The fun and challenging thing is that if you don't get it leaned over just right in a turn, and if the turn is flatter, it will just spin out and you'll do a 180 or 360. Makes for some excitement for guys following you when you're running buoys and you're suddenly pointed right back at them lol. I have been thinking about putting ProWatercraft tubbies on it, but I think it would harm the handling, as it already has so much pop. I wouldn't want to make it harder to lean over or keep leaned over. Also important to note that I'm running double the hp one of these skis makes stock, with a very aggressive intake. I'm not sure how easily a stock ski can be leaned over and turn, it might just cavitate up a storm.

    Again hope that helps. I try to be objective with my reviewing to be useful to others here. That said I do have my preference and the 2008+ SJ really gets under my skin. It's the Lotus Elise of the jet ski world, especially with bars, Worx 228 intake, and a KP steering nozzle adaptor. Those mods really make it a dream handling wise. Also of note, my brother's 1100 mod sxr, which has substantial hull mods done by mtrhead, it's previous owner, is another favorite handling hull of mine for buoys. The mods he did get it really close to an aftermarket sxr hull as I understand it. The difference compared to my brother's stock hull, limited 1100 sxr are shocking. They feel like two different skis. the mod is so light and nimble. It feels way shorter, smaller, lighter, and hook up is phenomenally better. The weight of the 1100 is completely masked and then some.
    what are the hull mods to the sxr1100 that you like?
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    Re: Kawasaki 650SX vs newer stand-up skis

    Set back pump, tubbies, SJ Steering / RRP Pole, deeper chines on the bottom for the last 1.5-2 feet, and a bunch of other stuff I'm not fully aware of. This particular one also has the 1100 engine set back a bit further and I think that further helps the nimbleness.
    1985 JS550/800 "Pretty Red": Newmiller 800, Rhaas 750 pump conv. [56.3mph gps]
    2009 1100 SJ:
    Kawi 1100
    2009 SJ MINT:
    KP steering adaptor, Worx 228 intake [45.6mph gps]
    1987 WJ650:
    6M6, JD Intake Grate, 17/20, cheater pipe [42.4mph gps]
    1994 XiR: 830cc Superstock, PJS side draft, 13/18 swirl [53.7mph gps]
    1998 SXI PRO:
    3DR hull mods [TBD]



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