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    PWCToday Guru Bob Gruen's Avatar
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    Re: X2 across te front of a trailer.

    Quote Originally Posted by w650gb500 View Post
    How about a hitch hauler on the front of the Jeep?
    I have though a lot about that. It would be as big of an investment as the trailer itself was, like $600. Also the biggest problem with a Wrangler as a tow vehicle is the short wheelbase, not sure what hanging several hundred pounds off the nose would do to that as it would make the rear lighter.

    If I get it set up with the X2 on the A frame I know I definitely would not be able to pull the trailer without it. For a 1500lbs trailer a ~200lbs tongue weight seems to be in the proper range.

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    Re: X2 across te front of a trailer.

    So my solution thus far:

    I will need a new cross bar for the GP760 and Blaster winch posts as the current one is too short to move back to where I will need it. I therefore took the current crossbar and clamped it to the tongue and first frame cross member. This allowed me three mounts for each of the X2 bunks and should substantially beef up the A frame section.


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    I have ordered a pair of 8' galvanized steel 2" x 2" square tube to serve as crossbars for the winch posts. One will be on a diagonal for the GP760 and Blaster and the other will be between the X2 bunks. The one for the X2 will be set as wide as the trailer wheel and I'll probably move the yellow marker light onto it. I also ordered a 2' "telescoping" tube that is supposed to fit inside the 2" x 2". I plan on cutting and pinning the X2 crossbar the same way a receiver is pinned into a trailer hitch. This will allow me to be able to remove the entire X2 winch post for loading and unloading.

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    Finally, I also had to up-rate the springs from the current rusty 2 leaf units to 2200 lbs three leaf units. They are really hard, would have preferred something in the 1800 lbs pair range. Without any of the boats pinned and strapped the trailer bounces a lot when I jump up and down the frame rail above the spring. I'll have to get it all finished before I can do a road test and determine if it needs additional stiffening. I may run a 'walk way' down the full length of the trailer and tie it into the underside of the X2 bunks. It would also give me a place to strap in some gas cans and other odds and ends.

    Bob

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    Re: X2 across te front of a trailer.

    Purchased two 2" x 2"cross bars, one at 7' and one at 8'. Also bought a 2' "telescoping" section that fits inside the 2" x 2" square tube and some hardware and a pin to make the entire winch post assembly removable. It does rotate around the slight looseness between the telescoping section and the outer tube mounted on the trailer frame. Might do a simple turnbuckle tensioner from the Blaster winch post to the X2 winch post to keep it from rattling. Also need to add a few LED marker lights at the new extremities.

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    The 7' section holds the noses of the Blaster and GP760.

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    Will test drive it tomorrow; still nervous about the new leaf springs.

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    Re: X2 across te front of a trailer.

    Test run:

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    The first test drive went well. The ride was more harsh then the 2 ski / 1500 lbs springs config, but no where near as bad as when I drove it with essentially frozen springs. I would like to figure out a way to reinforce the winch posts for the GP760 and Blaster, but it would definitely require custom brackets being welded up.

    The Wrangler pulled it no problem. Went through bumpy roads with no drama and I had it up to 65 on the highway with no issues. I'll probably limit myself to 55mph though. Slight wiggle that I attribute to sidewall flex of the tallish tires, but no rhythm that would cause a loss of control. The hitch actually has a tongue weight limit of 400 lbs, so I am OK there. Finally the last thing to do will be to rewire it, adding marker lights and reverse lights (for getting down the driveway after dusk).

    Bob

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    Re: X2 across te front of a trailer.

    I bought a longer galvanized tube for the stiffening brace. Now the brace is definitely put under a bending moment and therefor contributes more to stiffening the A frame section.

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    Detail on the cable reinforcements for the Blaster and GP760:

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    Last edited by Bob Gruen; 10-08-2017 at 04:52 PM.

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    Re: X2 across te front of a trailer.

    Looks good!
    If you added enough weight to drive stiffer springs, it might be worth double checking what the load rating on your tires is. I was looking for a good picture of the tire sidewalls, and my eyes may be deceiving me, but it looks like your spare has a 5 bolt pattern, and the wheel under the blaster has a 4 bolt pattern?

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