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    HELP--Pump Cone taking on water!

    My OEM pump (brass veins, now discontinued) got munched after the bearings seized up and I was forced to buy the Plastic Pump, 295500932
    SHOWN HERE:

    http://www.parkeryamaha.com/seadoopu...updatekit.aspx

    Getting ready for the season, removed the cone and it was mostly water. The cone that came with the new pump is LARGER than OEM, but nowhere can I find a parts breakdown for it. Seadoo dealer parts guy said he called Can-Am and the O-ring is the same.

    Seems odd to me. Anyway I put it in and used Yamabond on the O-ring (could not find Locktite 518 anywhere). Did a Psi test and there seems to be a leak. Sprayed soapy water around the cone=no bubbles, so it must be Impeller Seal correct?

    This is the microfiche for the OEM pump:

    http://www.ronniesmailorder.com/fich...1998&fveh=2319

    Questions:

    1) Where can I get a parts breakdown of the PLASTIC PUMP can't find it nowhere?

    2) Is #3 the correct impellor shaft Seal for the plastic pump?

    3 ANNEAU ETANCHE *OIL SEAL
    267000094 (replaces 293200025)
    1 $17.49


    3) Does anyone know the O-ring p/n for the plastic pump?

    Example,
    Item #11 shows the old O-Ring to the OLD pump

    11 JOINT TORIQUE *O-RING (5.000 per pack)
    293300011

    13 COUVERCLE TURB.*COVER-IMPELLER
    271000670
    1 $12.99


    4) First time I ever used Yamabond (I was in a pinch), do I need to wait for it to dry before a psi test?

    5) How hard is it to change impellor shaft seal, will I need any special tools to get the bearing and seal out?

    This is the OEM parts fiche from Parker Yamaha,

    http://epc.brp.com/Index.aspx?lang=E...6-919ff2c63dbf
    Sea-Doo Watercraft 271000872 Impeller Housing. Includes 7 - 9. 1
    Sea-Doo Watercraft 271000874 Impeller Cover 1
    Sea-Doo Watercraft 293200025 Double Lip Seal (Impeller) 1
    Sea-Doo Watercraft 293250085 O-Ring 1


    Thanks,

    Gary

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    HELP--Pump Cone taking on water!

    Mine leaked initially, but it fits in the kitchen sink, it was just the adaptor threads leaking. I had no hassle putting it in a sink full of water as long as there was always pressure in the housing, mine was only a slow leak, others will disagree and that's fine.

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    Re: HELP--Pump Cone taking on water! 98GSXL

    Ok I pulled the pump off and will take it to the local shop to replace the impeller seal as I don't have a bearing puller or press.

    I did notice the driveshaft Opposite end of the impeller has slight grooves on it that are smooth. Will I need a new driveshaft and bearing?

    This is the bearing style I have that my ski came with. (Not my pic)

    Seadoo driveshaft.JPG

    Going on the BRP website, the driveshaft for that style is unavailable.

    Steve at the shop replaces carbon rings with the bearing style (did it with my GTXL after the carbon one froze up) so I won't go that route. But if I need a new driveshaft what P/N would it be?

    Thanks,
    Gary
    Last edited by G_man; 05-13-2013 at 03:23 AM.

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    HELP--Pump Cone taking on water!

    Are the smooth grooves from where the seal lips run in the bearing carrier? If so you can install a speedi-sleeve, this will create a new surface for the seal to run on.

    How is the bearing within the carrier?

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    Re: HELP--Pump Cone taking on water!

    It’s the end that goes into the engine. The grooves are in area B, I used this pic for reference.





    Got the pic off this website, I believe my driveshaft is this P/N.

    http://www.seadoosource.com/driveshaftid.html


    Not sure?

    272-000-148 1998 GSX LTD (WITH OLD STYLE SEAL CARRIER

    I have not checked the bearings, I am at work now.

    Thanks
    Last edited by G_man; 05-13-2013 at 11:30 AM.

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    Re: HELP--Pump Cone taking on water!

    Not sure what cone came with that kit but if that's an oem housing (assume it is) the only oem 2 stroke 155mm housing currently available is a 267000268 and that plastic pump assy should be using a 267000267 cone assy with new style pusher like below...
    http://osdparts.com/index.php?main_p...oducts_id=4103

    If you want to see the parts that should have come with your kit check out the one below since it has the same housing, shaft, bearings, etc.
    http://osdparts.com/index.php?main_p...products_id=30

    The 094 seal is also correct for that housing (installed spring facing out).

    As for the shaft, you can use the grooved shaft with a bearing carrier it just needs to be located in the right spot so the seal doesn't ride in the groove. SBT as well as other aftermarket suppliers offer shafts for much less than oem too.
    Last edited by SeaDooSource; 05-13-2013 at 02:52 PM.
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    Re: HELP--Pump Cone taking on water!

    Thanks Seadoo Source for the EXCELLANT info. This stuff gets confusing with superseded parts and all they show is the assy and don't list the NEW parts breakdown.

    But I still have a question, what O-ring for the Cone with the plastic pump?

    It doesn't show it.

    Thanks

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    Re: HELP--Pump Cone taking on water!

    Quote Originally Posted by G_man View Post
    Thanks Seadoo Source for the EXCELLANT info. This stuff gets confusing with superseded parts and all they show is the assy and don't list the NEW parts breakdown.
    But I still have a question, what O-ring for the Cone with the plastic pump? It doesn't show it. Thanks
    You're welcome! Pretty much all Sea Doos use the 293300011 o-ring. A few oddball orig oem pump housings (not that 268 plastic pump w 267 cone) used a slightly larger one but the 011 will work fine on those too.
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    Re: HELP--Pump Cone taking on water!

    You need to be smarter than a 5th grader to figure out if I cut, lets say, 1/4inch off of the length of the bearing carrier hose, my seal will move 1/4 inch away from the driveshaft groove. Problem solved.

    I fill those grooves with epoxy, then use emory cloth to smooth the epoxy to the diameter of the driveshaft so the lip on the "old style" seal will not be damaged when the driveshaft gets shoved through it.
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    Re: HELP--Pump Cone taking on water!

    Thanks for the info guys, I got the pump back the same day.
    Install tomorrow and try it out Sat.

    Steve said the driveshaft was fine.

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