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    787 starter. Rebuild or new SBT?

    Yeah I didn't mean an actual washer. I though I looked like one, I was at work and couldn't think where it went. This is what is broke. Is it worth fixing, replacing, or just say hell with it, it's good.
    Thanks Bill for your time,

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    Re: 787 starter. Rebuild or new SBT?

    Your brushes are worn out for sure and replace the bracket if you run without it you will have a short lived starter

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    Re: 787 starter. Rebuild or new SBT?

    I would jb weld that piece in a heart beat.
    “If the only tool you have is a hammer, you tend to seeevery problem as a nail.”
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    Re: 787 starter. Rebuild or new SBT?

    Well that mounting bracket is not very good being that it is cracked and all.

    There are specs in the service manual that tell you to measure the length of the brushes and what the minimum length should be for those brushes. You can use the specs from any 787, 720,657,or 587 starter as the brush kits for all of them is the same kit.

    Those brushes look to be well worn. Wornout that is.
    Could you turn the starter motor shaft by hand before you disassembled it ? If not, toss the starter motor out.
    Look for burnt pads on the armature or burnt windings. Either one will make rebuilding it futile.
    The brush cables look good and are not broken. If you buy the brush kit, it is two parts, the commentator plate with one brush attached, and the positive post with the other brush attached.

    Is that starter darkened due to overheating the motor ? I ask because that is about the shade of white that the motor gets when cooked. Or, is it just the lighting ?

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    Re: 787 starter. Rebuild or new SBT?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackel44 View Post
    I would jb weld that piece in a heart beat.
    This has to be tounge in cheek ?

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    Re: 787 starter. Rebuild or new SBT?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Bill View Post
    Well that mounting bracket is not very good being that it is cracked and all.

    There are specs in the service manual that tell you to measure the length of the brushes and what the minimum length should be for those brushes. You can use the specs from any 787, 720,657,or 587 starter as the brush kits for all of them is the same kit.

    Those brushes look to be well worn. Wornout that is.
    Could you turn the starter motor shaft by hand before you disassembled it ? If not, toss the starter motor out.
    Look for burnt pads on the armature or burnt windings. Either one will make rebuilding it futile.
    The brush cables look good and are not broken. If you buy the brush kit, it is two parts, the commentator plate with one brush attached, and the positive post with the other brush attached.

    Is that starter darkened due to overheating the motor ? I ask because that is about the shade of white that the motor gets when cooked. Or, is it just the lighting ?

    Bill O'Neal
    WCM
    I did not check to see if i could turn it by hand, but it did spin easily when the plugs where out. As for the color of the starter its all the same, its just the light from taking the pic with an iPhone. Yeah i checked the lenth of the brushes and at the lowest point they were less than 7mm.

    Thank to all of u for all you ur help, HOPE it works.

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    Re: 787 starter. Rebuild or new SBT?

    dude i bought a new starter on ebay for 55$ shipped. and it works great

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    Re: 787 starter. Rebuild or new SBT?

    Quote Originally Posted by davidfast1 View Post
    dude i bought a new starter on ebay for 55$ shipped. and it works great
    I have piles of broken e-bay china starters best to use them on a ski you are going to sell. Lots of starter threads on that subject.

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    Re: 787 starter. Rebuild or new SBT?

    ......damn

    i got one for my 94xp, hopefully it works well for me

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    Re: 787 starter. Rebuild or new SBT?

    Quote Originally Posted by davidfast1 View Post
    ......damn

    i got one for my 94xp, hopefully it works well for me
    I just bought a new one for 28 bucks + 12 bucks shipping I figured the brushes where worth that. I have a friend that bought one for his HX and is working fine so far but only been a few weeks. The problem I have with a cheep starter is if it takes a hit and you are alone on the water it will suck. I can tell you first hand they will not last at all with higher compression, They will bend shafts or brake them off. I have had great luck buying used OE starters off e-bay with so called low hours and installing a brush kit. I guess you get what you pay for and what works for some might not work for others.

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