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    Re: Poor Stewards of Our Trust

    Posted this in several threads, but here is my latest response to the Surfrider Blogspot:

    https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?bl...2974706&page=1

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    My reference to due process was not the right to ride a PWC, but the process initiated for 'stakeholders' to have a voice in the process that was equitable and sustainable for future recreational access. The review process result was decided before the process had even begun, and the stakeholders whom attended the meetings, well there was no consensus that was agreed upon in the meetings. There was no tolerance of a PWC being able to access sanctuary waters outside of sensitive MPA zones. And PWC's should not have full access to sensitive zones, nor should any other activity. There was no loophole as stated, so that was given to the public as a 'reason'.

    There was not a 'single' scientific study conducted in these waters of question that applied to the issue itself. Outdated comments were applied from other waterways that were out of state or not the same environment. The nuclear waste issue, how come there is not a highly visible program project that we view the science and data on it? How can a 10 top threat PWC sit alongside a nuclear waste zone that surely has these 'scientific' studies and evals applied, but nothing for a PWC..that is not equitable in my opinion, and yes I am not a highly educated person, just asking questions that seem plausible to me. Recreational boating is a privilige, not a liberty.

    Tolerance is a strength of character and requires if not demands leadership qualities in any individual to best be able to have 'understanding'.

    In terms of anonymity. I put my name to my posts, my reputation and my business. An anonymous post is entertaining but carries no valor or credibility. Like many opponents of truth, these posts are making statements that are once again creating and lending to the myths people who are weak will adopt without asking the 'source'. Creating an 'enemy' is safe because one can project prejudice and feel safe that one is the saviour while the other is the devil. Not true. We are all in the same boat so to say.

    FACT: I teach lifesaving boating education courses. FACT these posters have not attended a class. FACT: We teach ecology and respect to marine life and have for years. FACT: Our education helps the same concerns that Surfrider and NOAA have. FACT: K38 and its affiliates are PARTNERS not adversaries with Surfrider and NOAA, however statements that are not truthful, yes I and my affiliates will point the FACTS straight. FACT: K38 has given 160 FREE scholarships to towsurfers and others on behalf of lifesaving and boating safety education in California specific to the towsurfing problem. FACT: K38 is a leader if not the source of trying to educate operators on the behavior, which is exactly what this whole ban is really about, not environmental or user conflict issues, of which we are also concerned about. FACT: If a business such as K38 is impacted whereas it is blocked from training/teaching/educating users no matter if they are recreational or occupational, from conducting business, the general safety of our waterways is diminished and yes, liability increases. Who assumes the liability? Anonymous perhaps?

    As far as making money, that is pretty funny, do you work so you can give your money away on behalf of others and live a life of sacfrice so others benefit from your dedication? LOL That is the 'have not's take from the haves' mentality that creates a very selfish vein of entitlement. K38 probably has done more for the surfing and boating community singlehandley by a middle aged mother and her children than all these anonymous posters, and if any of these 'anonymous' posters would like a free scholarship to see for yourself how evil our educational outreach programs are and the damage they incur to the safety of our public, write me at my private email addy: K38rescue@aol.com

    I hope the only time I create a wake for you is when I'm coming out to rescue you and save your life or one of our trained students. So you can come home to your loved ones and enjoy your daily walks and encounters with sea otters in the lineup and enjoy surfing for what it truly is, a free gift of the ocean.

    And it is a shame that people are abusing boating safety, agreed. And it is a shame when you run a red light and get away with it, and it is a shame when there are so many surfers in the lineup that the crowds are creating negative vibes and the parking spaces are limited, its all a shame isn't it? But let's not go there, it's too close to home.

    It is also a shame that people such as yourself and Surfrider chapters do not volunteer to make a difference and educate those who truly need the help, such as PWC users. It does no good to throw stones without changing the impact of how that stone hits and whom.

    My invitation: Come to our classes or our association meetings, or to boating clubs and help get the message of accountability and educational needs to the source of contention. Forcing bans on recreational activities funnels problems, it doesn't cure them at all. Not being able to see the reason of fellowship and kindness is what is tearing America apart and allowing organizations to be used as pawns to create the same ridiculous mudslinging our elected officials adopt and we suffer for it. To change the perception, the behaviors and the human issues that are really the crux of this argument. That is what I am trying to do, both by educating the boating public, and other waterway users, at the end of the day we are all brothers and sisters, not enemies.

    Thank you for all your postings, I respect and value your opinions and time and I wish you all the best in your lives and livelihoods. Thank you for allowing me to participate. Much appreciated.

    Shawn Alladio
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    Re: Poor Stewards of Our Trust

    This is definetely not a compromise. NONE of the towsurfers I know believe that and the participated in the 'stakeholder' meetings....and if surfers are trespassing on private property, that is simple to address. Issue citations, tow vehicles or make arrests. A private property issue is now something that NOAA is concerned about? I can hardly believe that. I disagree with Dourus, certainly a lot of time was spent, but not in good faith or stewardship of all the recreationalists besides recreational boaters, I am sure if each group had bonded together in unity to fight the NOAA water grab, the result would have been much different. By segregating each group it was far easier to place in effect further restrictions on each activity. It is a sad day for Californians
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    Revised rules at marine sanctuaries allow tow-in surfing at Mavericks

    During high-surf advisory days, watercraft can be used at the famous riding spot in the Monterey Bay haven. Other regulations are altered at the Gulf of the Farallones and Cordell Bank sanctuaries.
    By Kenneth R. Weiss

    November 21, 2008
    After seven years of soul-searching, federal officials on Thursday agreed to allow tow-in surfing at California's most famous big-wave riding spot, known as Mavericks, as part of a major expansion of federal rules governing three marine sanctuaries.

    The revised rules ban chumming for great white sharks around San Francisco's Farallon Islands for thrill-seeking divers in cages and photo-snapping tourists -- rules that have long been enforced closer to shore in waters colloquially known as the Bloody Triangle for their history of shark attacks.




    Photos: Surfing at Mavericks
    The new management plan also expands the Monterey Bay National Marine Sanctuary by 775 square miles to offer permanent protection for the Davidson Seamount, an enormous undersea mountain about 70 miles off Big Sur that is full of sea life found nowhere else on Earth.

    These plans will also prohibit ocean cruise liners from dumping partially treated sewage and other wastewater into the protected waters of the Monterey Bay, Gulf of the Farallones and Cordell Bank national marine sanctuaries.

    "These areas are essentially underwater Yosemites off our coast," said William J. Douros, western regional director of the National Marine Sanctuaries program. Just like national parks on land, he said, the sanctuaries are meant to preserve nature and not disturb wildlife.


    As for baiting sharks to lure them closer to thrill-seekers, Douros said: "We just think it was a bad idea for white sharks to associate humans with blood in the water."

    Tourist boats will have to remain at least 50 feet from sharks feeding on elephant seals around the Farallones.

    The new rules, which will take effect in mid-March, also forbid abandoning boats, introducing invasive species, and undersea mining and dumping in these sanctuaries, which were initially established to protect waters from offshore oil and gas drilling. A similar rewrite and toughening of rules is in the works for the national marine sanctuary that surrounds the Santa Barbara Channel Islands.

    One of the most contentious issues has been the use of personalized watercraft at big-wave surf spots along California's Central Coast. These noisy, polluting vehicles will be banned at popular spots such as Steamer Lane in Santa Cruz, Ghost Trees off Pebble Beach and the Moss Landing jetty in Monterey Bay. Exceptions will be made for lifeguards and others rescuing troubled surfers.

    But sanctuary officials fashioned a compromise for big-wave riders -- many of whom fly in from around the globe on short notice -- who match their skills against giant waves that crash onto Northern California's Pillar Point, known as Mavericks.

    The waves get so big and move so fast that it is difficult, and at times impossible, for surfers to paddle into position to catch them. Surfing magazines used to delight in publishing pictures of brave or foolish surfers being overtaken by these giants and tossed around like helpless rag dolls.

    Tow-in surfing, invented in Hawaii, quickly found a niche at Mavericks, launching a bitter debate between the new breed of enthusiasts and traditional paddlers who objected to the watercrafts' noisy whine, contrails of exhaust and wake chopping up the surf. That debate spilled into public hearings during the years that sanctuary managers wrestled with a potential ban on the motorized craft.

    In this new sport, surfers standing on boards equipped with foot straps are towed and slung into position at 30 mph or more, making it possible to ride the fast-moving waves. Surfing these monstrous waves has turned into a spectator sport, causing problems for landowners when hundreds and sometimes thousands of people show up on big-wave days to watch from shore.

    The Monterey Bay sanctuary largely banned such motorized personal watercraft in 1992 to avoid disturbing sea otters, seabirds and other wildlife. Although the ban survived a federal lawsuit from manufacturers, it quickly became outdated when wave riders began using larger, multiseat watercraft to tow surfers instead of the smaller, one- or two-person vehicles defined in the original rules.

    The new rules expand the definition of motorized personal watercraft to ban the larger vehicles everywhere but outside the mouth of four harbors within the sanctuary and at Mavericks. There, they can be used for tow-in surfing only during the few days in December, January and February when the National Weather Service issues high surf advisories. A cliff-top viewing area at Mavericks includes a county park that can accommodate large crowds with parking, bathrooms and other facilities.

    "It's a compromise to be sure," Douros said. "We spent a lot of time working with surfers, scuba divers, fishermen and others trying to balance multiple uses as well as protecting natural resources."

    Surfrider Foundation, which advocates for ocean protections and surfers' rights, has wrestled with this issue, with dissent even among factions of its membership.

    "We feel this is a decent balance between use and marine protection," said Chad Nelsen, the foundation's environmental director.

    Weiss is a Times staff writer
    http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la...,5629400.story

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    Re: Poor Stewards of Our Trust

    Quote Originally Posted by NV 05
    Shawn,

    can you post a link or info to these "zones" you are referring to, specifically Northern Ca.?
    Link to maps (way to many IMO)
    http://montereybay.noaa.gov/intro/maps.html

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    Re: Poor Stewards of Our Trust

    Why Is Everyone Whining! Geeez, You Know What? Your Not Allowed To Drive 95mph Down The Highway, Smoke In Movie Theaters, Serve Food That Contain Trans Fat, Or Take A Dump On The Sidewalk. Get Over It. Really, How Many People Are Actually Going To Go Out To That Freezing Kelp Infested Area To Dork Around On Their Waverunner Iii's??? It Is What Government Does.
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    Re: Poor Stewards of Our Trust

    Whining?

    Have you not looked around at how many waterways have closed to PWC access? How long you been riding? I've seen 2/3 of my original water access slip away since I began.

    This is 5,000 miles of water access. There are 13 sanctuaries. Each one can adopt and use the restrictions in one and apply to another.

    You need to get more involved in truths and accountabilities if you own a PWC and ride. And if none of you should be selfish enough to think it's only about you, its about all of us. This is suppossed to be a community.

    Posts like that just reinforce the stereotype of operator attitude.


    This is Federal. Federal supercedes State, which overlays Local.

    You better be scared and think twice about the ramifications for access across America.

    It's not what government does, its what WE THE PEOPLE like youself allow government to do.

    When was the last time any of you wrote a letter on behalf of another fellow PWC owner in another area or state?

    Divided we fall, united we Stand, I think that statement is used somewhere here isn't it?

    Are you willing to give up the place you ride tomorrow because everyone is losing priviliges? Are you willing to stay weak minded in thought and apathy or are you willing to stand up and fight for something?

    I think you already answered that.

    You are a poser.
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    Re: Poor Stewards of Our Trust

    1: NOAA has implemented a change in regulation of PWC for MBNMS that has no precedent ANYWHERE in the world. Their new definition of PWC was implemented despite overwhelming negative comments at the series of 6 public hearings on the regulations, the negative response from local government, and the lack of a recommendation from their own advisory council.

    2. NOAA has not one element of data from MB NMS indicating a need for additional PWC restrictions.

    3. The NOAA restrictions are not based on any measurable standards. This means that there is no possible way for any vessel less than 20' in length powered by a jet drive to ever again have access to over 5000 square miles of open Pacific Ocean. There is no performance criteria that such a vessel could achieve except possibly being 20.01 feet in length, that would meet their standards.

    4. NOAA's MBNMS boating restrictions include nearly 1000 square miles of state waters, yet not a single state boating safety or recreational boating management person was included in the process.

    5. NOAA has no demonstrated boating safety or recreational boating management experience yet has promulgated the largest single recreational boating ban in the U.S.


    THESE ARE THE INDISPUTABLE FACTS!

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    Re: Poor Stewards of Our Trust

    Quote Originally Posted by SflSwampRat
    cant trust anyone with "surfrider" as a name LOL

    they turn into rats.
    Quote Originally Posted by fastlife23, in regards to MrSki View Post
    Wow ive never seen a person ask the head of a profitable well known performance shop a question and then tell them what the answer should really be.?????? I am seriously dumbfounded.

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    Re: Poor Stewards of Our Trust

    SEEMS like you(hellwoman) need another outlet to channel some negative energy, I haven't called you any names, or put you down personally, yet you continue to try and belittle me for my own Fu$king OPINION!!! I'm NOT A POSER!! Bi^@#!! So, I'm dropping this thread since you think your opinion is the only one that matters. GOOD LUCK SAVING THE WORLD, MAYBE YOU CAN CALL ON YOUR PRESIDENT ELECT! HE'S GOING TO HELP EVERYONE!!! MAYBE HE'LL CHANGE THE LAWS SO YOU CAN RIDE 5000 NAUTICAL MILES OF NOTHING!!!! HERE'S
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    Re: Poor Stewards of Our Trust

    jeeezz
    Last edited by Sonny//414\\; 11-24-2008 at 11:13 AM.
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    Re: Poor Stewards of Our Trust

    SEEMS like you(hellwoman) need another outlet to channel some negative energy, I haven't called you any names, or put you down personally, yet you continue to try and belittle me for my own Fu$king OPINION!!! YOU DON'T KNOW ME!!! I'm NOT A POSER!! Bi^@#!! So, I'm dropping this thread since you think your opinion is the only one that matters. GOOD LUCK SAVING THE WORLD, MAYBE YOU CAN CALL ON YOUR PRESIDENT ELECT! HE'S GOING TO HELP EVERYONE!!! MAYBE HE'LL CHANGE THE LAWS SO YOU CAN RIDE 5000 NAUTICAL MILES OF NOTHING!!!! HERE'S AN IDEA, WHY DON'T YOU MAKE A REAL DIFFERENCE!! GO PICK UP A BAGFULL OF TRASH!! and I'm out.
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