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    PWCToday Guru jetskihaven's Avatar
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    Re: Kawasaki 650 - 800 Aluminum Engine Cradles

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch
    Quote Originally Posted by jetskihaven
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    *****TECH NEWS*****

    THESE ARE MADE FROM 6061-T6 ALUMINUM STOCK.
    This is what most marine race boat aluminum parts are made out of.

    Thanks,
    I would like to say that there maybe some engineering changes made to this part to insure the absolute best in service and integrety of the engine cradle. I am warranting these so I do not want any problems.

    I also should have mentioned that I am having some fiberglass parts made for the X2. This is the first one that needed a small change and it will be available soon for $200.00 + s/h.
    The steering / console trim piece.

    email me at john@jetskihaven.com if you want me to notify you when these come available.
    Nice piece man. But $200? Come on. I can import one for that price from Japan. That thing shouldn't be more than $100 USD. Hell, the old Jettrim dash piece with the dash pad was only $125.

    When you decide to drop the price, consider one sold.

    -F
    I have not found anywhere where these trim pieces can be imported from Japan for $125.00.
    These here are not imported but hand made here in the US with one of Jet Ski Haven's affiliates, who designed the mold and has taken a step toward being a key player in the growing rebirth of New Vintage X2 parts.
    The ones that I have seen from Japan are $250.00 so until I can see were I can save on the cost of these, I will have to get $200.00 for them at this time.
    If I had a thousand orders in for them I would have them done in China and would able to sell them for $100.00, but us Americans do not work for .50 per Hr...........................
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    PWCToday.com Is My Home Away From Home Fletch's Avatar
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    Re: Kawasaki 650 - 800 Aluminum Engine Cradles

    I'm not saying I can get one from Japan for $125 either. What I'm trying to say is that I can get one from Japan for roughly the same cost that you are charging, and that neither of them are worth $200 + to me.

    I'm just trying to say that I think you'd sell a lot more of them if they were less than $150. Especially when I can fab one up at home for half that price in materials. I know your time is worth money, but I'm sure you've made a mold for them -- I can't imagine each one is a one off. I also understand you need to make a profit. But can you really justify charging $200? Hell, Jetskimechanic is only charging $249.00 for an entire ****ing hood!!!

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...ksid=p3907.m32

    -F
    Last edited by Fletch; 12-27-2007 at 07:09 PM.
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    Re: Kawasaki 650 - 800 Aluminum Engine Cradles

    Flech,
    I kinda like you and enjoy reading what all you have to say. But I think you are going on a lot of assumetions. I know it takes alot more to get into manufactory than what most people understand and so they start injecting negitives in the area they understand best (the retail price). But in all honnesty I am not the quatative annalisis type of guy here, for Example: Wal-Mart. I am a nitch guy that likes to redo vintage - custom things for the watercraft market.
    You know there are, I would guess 10-1 Chevy 327/350 engines to Jet Skis in the US and yet the custom Hot Rod industry is still a big industry and I can assure you a customized '55 Chevy is worth 10 times more than is was in '55 NEW. So go figure......... I know one thing if I had you working in sales on comission only on the net proffit of the sale you would understand the price and demand concept a little better.
    BTW did you know it cost roughly the same amount of money to manufacture a $14,000.00 automobile as it does a $30,000.00 automobile. So why do people spend more money on a comodity that is considered to be the worst investment a person can make (buying a veihicle) that can basicly expect to get the same amout of millage from a $14,000 viehicle?
    The answer to the question is found by understanding the market.
    PJS sold their 800 cc Cylinders for $2000.00 back in a time when $2000.00 was worth more than it is today and a complete ski for $11,000. But where is PJS? What happened to them? Why are they not still in the business, R&D is, Jetenetics is, MSD is?
    I guess what I am trying to say here is you can not judge what someone is doing looking from the outside in.
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    Re: Kawasaki 650 - 800 Aluminum Engine Cradles

    Why have all the posts by Ocean Pro ( the original maker of these bedplates) been deleted.I would love to see what he had to say about this.Probably something along the lines of patent infringement,lawsuit etc etc.
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    Re: Kawasaki 650 - 800 Aluminum Engine Cradles

    Fair enough. We are in a Free Market, Capitalist economy after all. You have every right to charge what you want, and what you feel is a fair price...

    I guess I'm just trying to explain the whole supply and demand thing from a consumer and potential cusotmer's perspective. I would love to have one of your dash covers, but I won't buy one for the very same reason I won't go out and buy a Play Station 3. Notice how Sony has had to drop their price from $600 to $399 in order to generate business? Meanwhile, Microsoft and Nintendo are cleaning Sony's clock in sales.

    I'm not trying to start a fight here, or disrespect you. The only reason I'm making issue of this whole thing is because there are a lot of X-2 guys out there, and I would love to see the old x-2's collecting dust in garages out on the water again. But if the entry level guys can't afford parts, those X-2 will continue to collect dust.

    Again, no hard feelings, just presenting my opinion.

    -F
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    Re: Kawasaki 650 - 800 Aluminum Engine Cradles

    Quote Originally Posted by wedoseadoo
    Why have all the posts by Ocean Pro ( the original maker of these bedplates) been deleted.I would love to see what he had to say about this.Probably something along the lines of patent infringement,lawsuit etc etc.
    No quite the oposite. Ken at OP requested PWCtoday to delete our conversation on his own vilision to keep unnecesary small talkers out of our business. At this point Ken and I have had and I hope to keep and continue to expand a good relationship with him and OP.
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    Re: Kawasaki 650 - 800 Aluminum Engine Cradles

    I am glad to hear that,Ken is a super nice guy.
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    Re: Kawasaki 650 - 800 Aluminum Engine Cradles

    Quote Originally Posted by wedoseadoo
    I am glad to hear that,Ken is a super nice guy.
    Thanks ..Wed... That was cool of you to say that.
    Ken
    If you have a question about anything OCEAN PRO makes it's worth a free phone call...Call 1-800-553-6650... Check Ocean Pro Engineering at http://stores.ebay.com/OCEAN-PRO-ENGINEERING-since-1977 ..Email ocean-pro@cox.net Hrs. 9am-5pm MON-FRI PST in CALIF. 29 years of unmatched original performance parts. Take it easy. Ken

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    Re: Kawasaki 650 - 800 Aluminum Engine Cradles

    The two problems that I see with the bedplate is in its "cost per pound" in weight reduction and its very questionable fatigue life. For $200, I think I know someone who will be buying one of those x-2 covers, and a sack of Ultracal to go with it.
    What exactly does the IJSBA do?

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    Re: Kawasaki 650 - 800 Aluminum Engine Cradles

    Quote Originally Posted by kweasel
    The two problems that I see with the bedplate is in its "cost per pound" in weight reduction and its very questionable fatigue life. For $200, I think I know someone who will be buying one of those x-2 covers, and a sack of Ultracal to go with it.

    Thanks for the negitive input, any alternitive options for the brighter side of this veiw point?
    It is OK to post a negitive on my thread that I started about any of JSH's products if you offer a possitive alternitive. If you can not input a possitive then please do not post anything. Give those that you are being negitive the same respect that you would like to have towards a part or item that you would be trying to sell.
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