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    HELP!!!! Manual trim on a 96 XP / drop nozzle

    I am working on a 96 sea doo xp. Someone installed a manual trim system on it. I have no clue what brand. When my buddy brought the ski over the cable was broken and it was all disassembled. I am trying to figure out how it works and how the cable gets installed. Anyone know about these kits? The kit looks just like this one http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?VISuperSize&item=260734821583
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    Re: HELP!!!! Manual trim on a 96 XP / drop nozzle

    The '94XP ('95SPX) used a cable, but it went to a motor, and handlebar electric control switch. Ski's that do have a manual knob adjuster on the jetpump are the '95HX & SPI, maybe some others.
    The cable controlled VTS systems are used on the boats. I'm not to sure if they can easily be modified to fit the ski's. I do remember many of years ago of the stand-up ski's useing Umi cable controlled trim.
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    Re: HELP!!!! Manual trim on a 96 XP / drop nozzle

    I used to manufacture a cable operated trim system and I sold 400 of them in 1996 and 1997 to owners of X-4 hulls or people who wanted to adapt them to their Yamaha 1100 and 1200 hulls.

    In fact Dan Fitzgerald was using one of my trim kits on his Yamaha GP1100 in the 1200 mod class at the World Finals when he won the overall Pro 1200 class trophy. I think that was October of '96.

    If my kit was on the Sea Doo you bought, it had a clutch lever on the handlebars, a cable, two black nylon pivot blocks, a 1/2 inch dia. pivot rod with two bell cranks welded to it, two trim plate to bell crank linkage rods with LH and RH hiem joints on them, the actual outboard trim plates ( some call them cavatation plates ) with a groove on the side of the plate that goes under back edge of the hull and interconnects with the aluminum strips and the under hull trim tabs with the grooves in them.
    There is a left hand and a right hand set of trim tabs with a LH and RH set of plates and grooved hinge plates that mount into the hull using the 3 oem trim tab screw holes to replace the oem trim tabs. The grooves on the plates and the aluminum strips act as the hinges, while holding the outboard trim plates in place as they are sandwhiced between the two pieces that mount up under the hull with the grooves in them.

    The total amount of up and down movement of the outboard trim plates is less than a 1/2 ", but that is enough to plant the bow down into the water at any speed. Because it is cable operated using a clutch handle, it can be feathered to suit the hull attitude that you desire. It is not an all one way or the other system. You can preset the trim tabs if you desire to raise or lower them at rest, they do not need to be exactly straight and even with the hull when you are not pulling on the clutch handle. Using the adjustable LH and RH trim linkage rods, you can move ( preset ) the trim plate up or down to suit the water conditions that you are operating in before you leave the beach or remove the hull from the trailer and launch it. This seperate adjustable plate system can also level out those hulls that list to one side or the other and do not normally run perfectly upright and level from side to side.

    Some trim kits I made use another bell crank on the pivot rod to operate the oem type VTS steering nozzel. It can be interconnected with the two trim tabs, although I perfer to not have a pivoting steering nozzel as it is unnecessary IMO if you have the two trim plates to plant the bow as you accellerate from a standstill and the clutch handle to let the plates up slowly as the hull climbs to a plane and gains speed. The two trim plates also act as brakes when approaching a sharp turn while changing the attitude of the hull through and out of the turn and back up to full speed again. Perfect for bouy course racing.

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    Re: HELP!!!! Manual trim on a 96 XP / drop nozzle

    you are going to have to post pictures...Bill is talking about a trim tab system, and I think you are talking a manual VTS trim system. That and there were a few small companies making them.

    At this point though...finding replacement parts for any of the aftermarket trim systems are like panning for gold.

    Bill...I'm pretty sure I have an old one of your trim systems...lol except for one of the parts that screwed in place of the tab. Screws got loose and I have yet...in 5 years...to run into another set.

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    Re: HELP!!!! Manual trim on a 96 XP / drop nozzle

    Yes that is my kit in the picrture.

    Have you checked with me or my shop ? I have a box with some misc pieces left over. Not sure I have what you need, but it is possible I do.

    If you have not tried us, call Chris at the shop and tell him to look into the box marked TRIM KITS on the top shelf by the roll up door.

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    Re: HELP!!!! Manual trim on a 96 XP / drop nozzle

    does anyone know what sort of cable this is and where i would be able to find one please?

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    Re: HELP!!!! Manual trim on a 96 XP / drop nozzle

    Quote Originally Posted by shikai View Post
    does anyone know what sort of cable this is and where i would be able to find one please?
    I put one on my ski and had to use a long choke cable with the metal end going to the trim but it needs to be shortened then I bought the barrel end for the other end of the cable at the auto parts store. I haven't had time to see how it works yet sense when I installed it my nozzle was a tad up so when I hit the throttle the lever moved in on it's own when the water centered the exit nozzle. I don't have the correct trim rod on mine with my 3 inch pump extension but I'm going to make one and it should work fine, or not I will find out

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    Re: HELP!!!! Manual trim on a 96 XP / drop nozzle

    Quote Originally Posted by justforfun View Post
    I put one on my ski and had to use a long choke cable with the metal end going to the trim but it needs to be shortened then I bought the barrel end for the other end of the cable at the auto parts store. I haven't had time to see how it works yet sense when I installed it my nozzle was a tad up so when I hit the throttle the lever moved in on it's own when the water centered the exit nozzle. I don't have the correct trim rod on mine with my 3 inch pump extension but I'm going to make one and it should work fine, or not I will find out
    there's alot of pressure on that cable when you pull it in on the water... i dont think a choke cable will last very long, but worth a shot if thats all you can find to fit...
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