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Old 03-12-2006, 01:13 PM   #1
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Boating safety bill generates opposition---(Wisconsin)

Water enthusiasts say plan to require classwork intrusive

MILWAUKEE — A proposal to require all boaters born in 1989 or later to pass a safety course isn't being well received by water enthusiasts, who call it unnecessary government intrusion.

The bill, passed this year by the Legislature, would require people born on or after Jan. 1, 1989, to be certified by the state to operate everything from high-speed power boats to personal watercraft like Jet Skis.

Gov. Jim Doyle says he plans to sign the bill into law.

A person would be certified after taking an eight-hour class that costs $10. Uncertified boaters could face fines of up to $200.

Current law allows those 16 and older to independently operate watercraft without certification.

The new measure would apply to anyone whose birthday falls past the Jan. 1, 1989, date, regardless of how old that person is when they begin operating watercraft.

That logic doesn't sit well with state Sen. Glenn Grothman, R-West Bend.

"The obvious hypocrisy here is that older people don't need to take a class while younger people need one," Grothman said.

But Ronda Heiser, whose son died nearly three years ago in a watercraft accident, said the key issue is safety.

"We don't send kids on our roads without an education," she said. "Why not do the same on our waterways?"

Heiser and her husband pushed for passage of the measure and hope Doyle will sign it before the recreational boating season begins.

"I want it to save a life," she said.

State Sen. Tom Reynolds said his father taught him how to operate a boat safely, a method he says can be effective even without state intrusion.

"Government is just trying to micromanage the affairs of everybody," the Republican from West Allis said. "We have to say, 'When is enough enough?'"

Brian Heiser was 31 when he sustained lethal internal injuries while tubing near Wisconsin Dells after a rider on a personal watercraft struck him.

State Rep. J.A. "Doc" Hines, R-Oxford, said Heiser's death was a key reason he wrote the bill.

"It gives young people an opportunity to learn safety rules," Hines said. "It's very similar to what's required of young people who snowmobile or use an ATV."

The measure wouldn't affect people who use canoes, row boats and paddle boats.

Current rules mandate that 12- to 15-year-olds be safety-certified to operate powerboats and personal watercraft without adult supervision. That requirement still would be in place under the new legislation.

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Old 03-12-2006, 10:56 PM   #2
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Re: Boating safety bill generates opposition---(Wisconsin)

I never understand why people object to educating our youth. I grew up on the shore of Lake Erie around the marine industry and I've seen lots of stupid boat tricks, mostly from inexperieced operators. Sure I agree everyone should have a safe boating certificate before being able to operate a a motor or sail boat on the open water but we have to start somewhere. By starting at a certain birthdate eventually way down the road everyone will be required by virtue of age to complete a safety coarse. Too often I've seen (and sold to) parents who buy Jet Skis for their inexperienced children and just drop them off at the boat ramp.
which leads me to believe some parents just don't have a clue or even care. I've always reconmended a safe boating coarse to all my customers new and old to boating and especially new Jet Skiers while providing the information where they can take the coarse. Government intrusion? not if my life is in the hands of an inexperienced boater doing something stupid that a safe boating course could prevent. We don't put a 16 yr old on the road without extensive training so why do people think the water is any safer????.....Besides, at least cars have brakes.
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Gov. Doyle sucks.

I can't WAIT to help vote that a**hole out when his time comes.
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Re: Boating safety bill generates opposition---(Wisconsin)

People get tired of government turning a good idea into a huge money maker. Somone in government will eventually jack up the price in the name of enforcement. Hire more cops, jack up the fees again. They did that to us here in Florida. Our local marine enforcement has so much money they buy new boats and jet skis every other year and run around hassling everyone. They also have a "bottomless gas tank" and never cruise, but haul *** everywhere they go. Meanwhile most ramps that we already pay for, have parking meters. The other problem is, you can't legislate stupidity.

But, I strongly agree that people need some guided instruction before boating. It's just comon sense. I say make sure it's not a revenue maker, or you'll be sharing your waterways with a ton of cops.
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Re: Boating safety bill generates opposition---(Wisconsin)

Unbelievable b.s it sounds like - I mean, the slack they're getting on this from the Senator. Isn't it amazing how pwc'ers, supposedly the reckless dangerous ones who should be banned, support, encourage and welcome licensing and education regulations for ourselves and all boaters, but apparently our brothers in the larger/traditional boating community are resisting the burden of having to take an 8-hour 10-dollar class to ensure and prove that they halfway know what they're doing? But on second reading I guess I agree with the senator - really all operators should be subject to this young and old, but I guess it is just the usual tradition with this stuff that people can be "grandfathered" in...it's still better than nothing. They don't want their young boaters to have to certified and trained? Seems bogus.

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I'm not a Doyle fan, either, but when I was a kid (legally, anyway...as I'm still a 'kid') my Dad made me take the boater safety class. I got to be in charge of a 6HP monstercraft in exchange. Some of the most fun I had as a kid. What's a kid going to do for fun after the RXP gets boring?

Let's face it, crafts today, are a heck of a lot different and way more potentially dangerous. And more importantly, there's a lot less parenting and instruction. Less attention and time spent with the kids. In exchange we get spoiled kids from guilty parents. I mean really. I've worked for every vehicle. No keys were given to me for being here on this planet. When you earn the keys, you don't treat things like toys but like investments (at least to some extent ).

Too bad that more parents don't think to SEND their kids to classes. Idiotic behavior results in mandation...We've all seen a stoplight put on that backroad somewhere just 'cuz one or two idiots pulled out into traffic. As I've always said...laws are for idiots. Common sense should prevent 99% of the trouble. Unfortunately "common" sense is a misnomer....I think I've got what's truly UnCommon sense. thank God

Do I think it's going to save a lot of injuries? Probably not, but hopefully there will be a little more thought about what could happen if you're not paying attention to your surroundings.

The true joke is that there's no instruction for particular craft. Boater safety is boater safety. They probably would be a lot better off if they had some delineation such as PWC safety classes (which I don't think WI's DNR has).

I have to say that I'm not opposed to 16 year olds needing to take drivers ed and considering the speed of PWCs with no brakes and limited off-power steering, I'm not too opposed to some instruction there, either.

Less accidents and wreckless behavior just might give all of us a better name out in the community.

Personally, I'm more ticked off about finding out (here) that boats can kick up a wake 100' off shore where PWCs are 200'. Kinda takes the fun out of the smaller lakes where you can really only zoom around on a narrow sliver of water. I can see not needing to go WOT off someone's pier, but NO wake??? I wonder who's to blame for that one? Common-sense guy or "common"-sense guy?
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JohnWi.......Right on.....You wouldn't believe the parents I've sold RXP's to for their 14-16 yr olds just to get them off their back....And when the kids trash them from stupidity or lack of maintainence and bring them in the shop for repairs, the phone calls come everyday because the brats are home whining because they don't have their toys. I just ask the parents to adopt me............It's hell being in one of the richest counties in Florida....
Makes me wish I was part of the lucky sperm club.......Luckily we have the safe boating course in effect for the kids....Now if we could just get the adults to take one.........
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Since I am a sixteen year-old I feel that the bill is against me, however, I do have my boater saftey license and have had it since I was twelve. I am no noobie when it comes to water but, I am no expert either. I will admit I do make some stupid moves every once in a while but, I would not like to catagorize myself in the stereotype of all teenagers. I feel that there are many stupid teenagers out there who ride with no sense of care and with passing this bill it will put a dampner on the amount of how many stupid teenagers there are out there. I am for this bill and would support this fully I am glad I have my boater safty license.
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Since I am a sixteen year-old I feel that the bill is against me, however, I do have my boater saftey license and have had it since I was twelve. I am no noobie when it comes to water but, I am no expert either. I will admit I do make some stupid moves every once in a while but, I would not like to catagorize myself in the stereotype of all teenagers. I feel that there are many stupid teenagers out there who ride with no sense of care and with passing this bill it will put a dampner on the amount of how many stupid teenagers there are out there. I am for this bill and would support this fully I am glad I have my boater safty license.
It is against you - and it should be, most of the jackasses I see on the water are <25

and u are right, it would hamper the amount of dumb teens on the water. however, some peeps will just come out anyway. rule #1 on the water, watchout for yourself first!
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