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Old 11-16-2009, 09:17 PM   #1
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Hello all, I am new to this forum, but not new to mechanical stuff. I have a 2002 Virage I which once started runs pretty good. But it takes at least 20 minuites to start. She fires right up but shuts right down. Once she does start and keep running, I can get out the canal and once I run at 3-4 grand for a couple of minuites she runs fine at idle. This sounds like a fuel problem, but not surewhere to start. Thanks in advance for all and any help.

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Old 11-16-2009, 10:50 PM   #2
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welcome to the site!!! i love the username!! haha


dont know much about polaris but do they have primers in them?
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Old 11-18-2009, 01:25 PM   #3
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Hello all, I am new to this forum, but not new to mechanical stuff.

I have a 2002 Virage I which once started runs pretty good.

But it takes at least 20 minutes to start. She fires right up but shuts right down. Once she does start and keep running,

I can get out the canal and once I run at 3-4 grand for a couple of minutes she runs fine at idle. This sounds like a fuel problem, but not sure where to start. Thanks in advance for all and any help.

Thanks Phil
It could be heat related, or it could be as simple as a faulty TPS (Throttle Position Sensor).

Unplug the TPS (located at the rear of the throttle body). Does it now start and idle properly?

If it does, then replace the TPS with a new TPS (not used).

If unplugging the TPS does not help with the start/idle, then something needs to warm up before it works properly. Most likely candidates are the EMM itself, or the electrical stator inside the flywheel.

Do you have access to an EMM from another Virage i?
If yes, install it temporarily, and see if the problem goes away. Do not run it hard like this, just do the necessary testing.

If you do not have another EMM to swap in, then you can do further diagnostics.

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Polaris Ficht Fuel Injected Engines

Do you ever see a warning message on the display (Check Engine)?

Check the fuel pressure at the Schrader valve when cranking/starting the engine. It should jump to over 20PSI as soon as the engine starts cranking, and stay there until the engine is shut down. The fuel pump is electric, but the pressure regulator inside the pump is mechanical.

If fuel pressure is good, check the voltage on the White/Red wires. Keep both injectors plugged in, and tap your volt meter probe into the White/Red wires somewhere.

Voltage on White/Red should jump to over 20 volts as soon as the engine starts cranking, then jump again to 40+ volts as soon as it actually starts. The voltage should then be fairly stable at around 45 volts as RPM varies.

When the engine shuts down, the White/Red wire voltage should slowly subside over several seconds.

The EMM needs the 40+ volts to properly fire the injectors.

If the injector voltage is low, then either the EMM or the stator is bad. Usually it is the EMM.

You can check the stator coils for correct ohms and AC voltage. If that checks out, then it is likely the EMM. You can send it in for diagnosis and repair.

Side note: If the starter solenoid is black in color, you should replace it with the newer brown color version, The black bodied solenoids can fail at any time, and leave you stranded on the water. Sometimes they short internally, and crank the engine continually until either the battery or the starter/Bendix fails.
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I am dissapointed. I thought someone would have a suggestion. Thanks to the reply about my handle, but I have no technical answers from any body. I know someone out there can send me in some direction
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I am dissapointed. I thought someone would have a suggestion. Thanks to the reply about my handle, but I have no technical answers from any body. I know someone out there can send me in some direction
Did you not read the previous post from Keith447? I think you're looking for some magical answer to your problem and don't want to do the detective work yourself. Keith gave you a whole list of things to check so I guess you should get to work. And maybe thank Keith for his effort.
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You are correct I did not see the post from Kieth. I apoligize to all. Thank you Kieth for giving me some directions to investigate. I will let you know how I make out now that I have some idea of where to start.

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...I will let you know how I make out now that I have some idea of where to start.

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Old 12-21-2009, 01:42 PM   #8
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Thanks for asking. I have had some issues. I guess when I was trying to start the ski and had no luck (before my 1st post) I left the hose hooked up and on. It fill the engine up with water and I did not relize it. I just thought I had worn the battery down. When I took the battery up to be checked,I was informed that the battery was fine, I than took the plugs out for an inspection. That's when I discovered the water issue. My skis are at a second home that I own and it was a couple of weeks between visits as I'm not there all the time. I try to make it on the weekends but not always possible. Anyway, I was able to clear the water out and get the ski running. I unplugged the sensor and it would not start, but when I plugged it back in it did start easier. I have not had time to play any further yet. This whole thing has become a frustation due to self inflicted troubles coupled with me being a weekend warrior and not having the time to work consistently on one item as I have other responsabilties and other projects. So I don't get to be dedicated to one task. I will say though that they all do get finished. I have a 31' Rampage that was in bad shape when I got it about 5 years ago and now is immaculant in the bilge and on the bottom I now am in the prcess of working on the interior brightwork. So slowly but surely it gets done. Sorry to be long winded, but I do appriciate your interest and will let you know how it all works out. And I'm not bashful, if I'm stuck I will post for answers.
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I hope the water in the motor and you getting it running was only a few hours apart?
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